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Date: Sat, 30 Jan 93 05:00:07
From: Space Digest maintainer <digests@isu.isunet.edu>
Reply-To: Space-request@isu.isunet.edu
Subject: Space Digest V16 #092
To: Space Digest Readers
Precedence: bulk
Space Digest Sat, 30 Jan 93 Volume 16 : Issue 092
Today's Topics:
* corrected * SSF Util. Conference info
Catch-22: (was Using off-the-shelf components)
Challenger Disaster
Help on Locating Planetarium Hardware
Reason for SSTO/DCX and Market (3 msgs)
Rent Mir/Commerical SS Fred not build it
Rent Mir/Commerical SS Fred not build it.
Science Fair JUDGES WANTED
SSF Utilization Conference
Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger (9 msgs)
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 06:45 PST
From: kcowing@nasamail.nasa.gov
Subject: * corrected * SSF Util. Conference info
We noticed a typo in the earlier text I sent. Can you please post the
*corrected* version that follows?
Thanks again
NASA SPACE STATION FREEDOM (SSF) UTILIZATION CONFERENCE TO
BE HELD AT THE SAN FRANCISCO HILTON, JUNE 21-24, 1993, SAN
FRANCISCO. At this conference and hardware exhibition, researchers
can learn more about past accomplishments, present activities, and
future plans and opportunities for space-based research. Space
Station Freedom research capabilities and opportunities for
commercial research will also be detailed. Research discipline
sessions will cover recently completed or planned space-related
experiments in life sciences, biotechnology, fluid physics, materials
sciences, combustion, and technology development. Registration fees
range from $90 to $250. For registration information, call 800-933-
2089 or send queries via fax to 202-863-8407, Attn: SSF Utilization
Conference. If responding by e-mail please address reply to:
<mkieffer@nasamail.nasa.gov>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:57:24 GMT
From: "Edward V. Wright" <ewright@convex.com>
Subject: Catch-22: (was Using off-the-shelf components)
Newsgroups: sci.space
In <1993Jan28.143841.25475@cc.ic.ac.uk> atae@crab.ph.ic (Ata Etemadi) writes:
>This sort of pseudo-nationalistic attitude probably goes a long way
>toward nurturing bad will between your respective countries. I would
>very much doubt that you know anything at all about the Russian space
>effort.
Gosh, no. And worse, I've just come back from listening to
Harry Stine and Art Bozlee, who know even less.
>For your information most people consider their launch
>technology as approx. 10-15years ahead of the USA. Hence why they can
>fly canned borsht.
Uh, huh. Well, the Soviets/Russians have been flying canned foods
for the last 20 years. In fact, they've been flying the same
launchers for the last 20 years. Once they have something
that works, they don't throw it away the we do, and they're
perfectly satisfied with off-the-shelf food because they don't
have the kind of money to throw around that NASA does.
>Space-qualified has a very precise meaning namely, in the case of
>the ESA, the component has to meet the criteria detailed in ESA PSS
>01-701 etc.. which are part of a multi-volume set (I think its
>only 12 or so volumes :-)
Naturally. If you don't have 12 volumes of requirements,
you can't justify the staff it takes to write 12 volumes
of requirements (much less read them).
>>Given a reliable, low-cost space transportation system, 1 and 2
>>become much less important. And if you have a rotating space
>>station, with artificial gravity and earth-normal or near-normal
>>atmosphere, 3 ceases to be important as well, and you can buy
>>just about everything off the shelf.
>The components will STILL have to pass vibration, outgassing and
>ECM tests. Given beam transport technology, we could all go on
>holiday on Mars with Mr Spock et al.. :-)
Funny, I've never had an airline ask me if my equipment was
"air-qualified," much less subject it to vibration, outgassing,
or ECM tests. That's the difference between a transportation
system and an expendable artillery shell.
Or do you think the airlines are using beam technology, too?
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 09:30:28 PST
From: "UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER"@utspan.span.nasa.gov
Subject: Challenger Disaster
I was late to work, listening to the radio in the car. I got to work a little
before liftoff. It takes about five minutes to get to my office from the
parking lot; Challenger apparently exploded while I was en route. I remember
the sinking feeling upon hearing of it, the depression for a while afterwards,
and the sentence, "Obviously a major malfunction" spoken in a cool,
passionless monotone. But I also remember thinking later that it was really
being blown out of proportion in comparison to other tradgedies in the world.
By comparison, by memories of JFK's assasination, when I was six, and of John
Lennon's killing are much more vivid. I learned about Lennon from Howard
Cosell on Monday Night Football!
_____________
Dale M. Greer, whose opinions are not to be confused with those of the
Center for Space Sciences, U.T. at Dallas, UTSPAN::UTADNX::UTDSSA::GREER
"Let machines multiply, doing the work of many,
But let the people have no use for them." - Lao Tzu
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 12:17:34 MST
From: shoran@NMSU.Edu (Stephen Horan)
Subject: Help on Locating Planetarium Hardware
I am assisting a local high school in locating information on obtaining a
planetarium. They will have a 25-foot dome. The school will accept leads
on good quality used equipment. Any help in this matter can be sent to me
at the address below.
Thank you in advance for your help.
Stephen Horan, shoran@nmsu.edu
New Mexico Space Grant Consortium
Box 30001, Dept. SG
New Mexico State University
Las Cruces, NM 88003-0001
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:46:48 GMT
From: "Edward V. Wright" <ewright@convex.com>
Subject: Reason for SSTO/DCX and Market
Newsgroups: sci.space
In <1993Jan28.135651.18692@iti.org> aws@iti.org (Allen W. Sherzer) writes:
>The ticket will cost (round trip) $100,000 to $200,000 (assuming you pack
>them in like sardiens for a very uncomfortable trip).
On what do you base that estimate?
What I heard from Boeing was "an order of magnitude more than
existing jet aircraft," which puts it an order of magnitude
below your figures. Other estimates support this.
As for being packed in like sardines, have you ever flown a
cattle ca... er, jet airliner? I'd rather spend 45 minutes,
stuffed into a rocket, than 12 hours stuffed into an airplane.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:15:19 GMT
From: "Allen W. Sherzer" <aws@iti.org>
Subject: Reason for SSTO/DCX and Market
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <ewright.728250408@convex.convex.com> ewright@convex.com (Edward V. Wright) writes:
>>The ticket will cost (round trip) $100,000 to $200,000 (assuming you pack
>>them in like sardiens for a very uncomfortable trip).
>On what do you base that estimate?
50 people flying round trip (and in a 15X15X30 space it won't be
comfortable) at a cost of $5M to $10M per flight.
>What I heard from Boeing was "an order of magnitude more than
>existing jet aircraft," which puts it an order of magnitude
>below your figures. Other estimates support this.
round trip to Australia is about $3,000 so Boeing is estimating
$30,000 or so which is well below an order of magnitude less than
my estimate.
As to the difference, there are too many factors which could expalin
it. Indeed, it may be possible to cut the cost to $30K in volume but
you won't be able to offer those prices initially. As it is I don't
think the market for $30,000 airline tickets is that great.
>As for being packed in like sardines, have you ever flown a
>cattle ca... er, jet airliner?
You need to compare it to first class.
>I'd rather spend 45 minutes,
>stuffed into a rocket, than 12 hours stuffed into an airplane.
All things being equal, so would I. However, I wouldn't pay
$27,000 more for it. Would you?
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Allen W. Sherzer | "A great man is one who does nothing but leaves |
| aws@iti.org | nothing undone" |
+----------------------138 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX----------------------+
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:47:07 GMT
From: Josh Hopkins <jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Reason for SSTO/DCX and Market
Newsgroups: sci.space
nsmca@acad3.alaska.edu writes:
>Uses for a SSTO/DC-X seem to be for long distance flying and for
>low orbit launching of satelites and other packets.. If I remember correctly
>hat SSTo/DC-X is.. Later is like how a F15 sent a missle into orbit for the SDI
>tests..
SSTO is a generic term for a vehicle that gets into orbit it one piece. DC-X
is a test vehicle for some of this technology. It is _not_ an SSTO. It is not
capable of orbital flight or intercontinental flight. It is a _test_ vehicle.
I know this sounds pendantic but people sound very silly when they get their
vehicles so mixed up. It's a little like saying the astronauts deploy
sattelites from the X-15.
>Long Distance flights seem perfect, namely the London or Paris to Tokyo/Hong
>Kong Route.. Or maybe Australia to US or Australia to Europe.. Any place where
>people fly fro that takes more than 12 hours to fly normally or where they need
>to get somepalce fast,., I wonder if the courior services would be interested..
>Also the Large Corps who ned to get people places fast..
SSTO will be far too expensive in the near term for passenger travel (except
maybe for people who's time is incredibly important). However, it is not
impossible that an operational Delta Clipper could bee used byt Federal Express
for example.
--
Josh Hopkins jbh55289@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu
Q: How do you tell a novice from an expert.
A: A novice hesitates before doing something stupid.
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 15:28:10 EET
From: flb@flb.optiplan.fi (F.Baube x554)
Subject: Rent Mir/Commerical SS Fred not build it
Matthew DeLuca <matthew@phantom.gatech.edu>
> Sure, we can do as some people have suggested and rent Mir and buy
> Soyuzes and use Energia and save lots of money, but the end result
> would be the complete stasis of the space arm of the U.S. aerospace
> industry, coupled with Russian dominance of space down the line.
Did you ever hear about the benefits of free trade ?
I thought re-entry capsules and disposable multi-stage
boosters were supposed to be the means, not the end.
A big Russian buy could be a short-to-medium term expedient
to get our payloads and experiments off the damned ground
and into space, while Delta Clipper and other excellent
ideas might get some more (increasingly!) scarce resources.
We'd be buying commodity goods while working on better.
[Besides, any domestic development that drags on from year
to year is vulnerable to the whims of the Congressional
budget process; Russian hardware paid for with cash F.O.B.
Kazakhstan need not be.]
If we were talking about Long March, I'd say let the repressive
SOBs *keep* their hardware. But the Russians are good guys now,
and could use our business to keep their skills alive and their
workers out of the employment of Saddam and other Stalin wannabes.
We don't have all the answers and all the gadgetry; they can help
us get to Mars and elsewhere.
.. or is this naive ?
--
* Fred Baube ..when you think your Toys you hear Laughter
* Optiplan O.Y. * have gone Berserk cracking through the Walls
* baube@optiplan.fi * it's an illUsion you're sent Spinning
* GU/MSFS * you Cannot Shirk you Have No Choice
* #include <disclaimer.h> * -- Sioux proverb
* >Where is PGP Ver.2 ?< * Nymphs vex, beg quick fjord waltz
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:05:46 GMT
From: "Allen W. Sherzer" <aws@iti.org>
Subject: Rent Mir/Commerical SS Fred not build it.
Newsgroups: sci.space
In article <1k9b54INN5i1@phantom.gatech.edu> matthew@phantom.gatech.edu (Matthew DeLuca) writes:
>>I know Mir is far from ideal, but what is.. Why reinvent the wheel when the
>>wheel is already in Orbit??
>Because if you just keep using the same wheel, you never develop better
>wheels. Sure, we can do as some people have suggested and rent Mir and
>buy Soyuzes and use Energia and save lots of money, but the end result would
>be the complete stasis of the space arm of the U.S. aerospace industry,
>coupled with Russian dominance of space down the line.
I'm not sure our current path will result in any difference. As it is,
NASA is avoiding cheaper commercial services as much as it can. We are
pouring more and more money into an infrastructure which is getting more
and more expensive. The end result has been a statis of the US space
arm for a long time.
Maybe intelligent leverage of Russian technology (like Soyuz) combined
with US capabilities in ELV and cheap commercial HLV's will allow space
to become large enough to become self sustaining and end the stasis.
Allen
--
+---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
| Allen W. Sherzer | "A great man is one who does nothing but leaves |
| aws@iti.org | nothing undone" |
+----------------------138 DAYS TO FIRST FLIGHT OF DCX----------------------+
------------------------------
Date: 26 Jan 93 20:04:42 GMT
From: Jim J Moskowitz <jimmosk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu>
Subject: Science Fair JUDGES WANTED
Newsgroups: sci.physics,sci.research,sci.space,ieee.announce
The Delaware Valley Science Fairs are seeking research-experienced
scientists, engineers, and technologists willing to volunteer one (1) day to
help one of the most important science education programs in the Delaware
Valley. The 1993 DVSF will be judged Thursday, April 1st, 1993 at the
Philadelphia Civic Center. Judging requires a full day. Criteria for
evaluating science projects will be provided (as will breakfast and lunch).
Contact with student scientists in a Science Fair is an interesting
experience for scientists or technicians with training and recent experience
in any field of medicine, science, or engineering. To volunteer as a
Science Fair judge, contact:
Dr. Lee Bennett
The Franklin Institute
Franklin Parkway at 20th St.
Philadelphia PA 19103
(215) 448-1269
or email your name and mailing address to jimmosk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu
--
_______________________________________________________________________________
Jim Moskowitz "All you can logically say about
jimmosk@eniac.seas.upenn.edu a guy who thinks he's a poached egg
is that he's in the minority." - James Burke
------------------------------
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 93 06:14 PST
From: kcowing@nasamail.nasa.gov
Subject: SSF Utilization Conference
Could you include this in the next edition of Space Digest? Thanks.
Keith Cowing, SSFPO/Reston.
NASA SPACE STATION FREEDOM (SSF) UTILIZATION CONFERENCE TO
BE HELD AT THE SAN FRANCISCO HILTON, JUNE 21-24, 1993, SAN
FRANCISCO. At this conference and hardware exhibition, researchers
can learn more about past accomplishments, present activities, and
future plans and opportunities for space-based research. Space
Station Freedom research capabilities and opportunities for
commercial research will also be detailed. Research discipline
sessions will cover recently completed or planned space-related
experiments in life sciences, biotechnology, fluid physics, materials
sciences, combustion, and technology development. Registration fees
are range from $90 to $250. For registration
information, call 800-933-2089 or send queries via fax to 202-863-
8407, Attn: SSF Utilization Conference. If responding by e-mail
please address reply to: <mkieffer@nasamail.nasa.gov>
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 19:36:36 GMT
From: "Robert A. Lentz" <lentz@jansky.astro.nwu.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
In article <1993Jan28.010055.1691@ringer.cs.utsa.edu> sbooth@lonestar.utsa.edu (Simon E. Booth) writes:
>
>Just a reminder- 7 years ago today- 11:38am EST....
>
>So, where were you when the Challenger disaster took place?
>
>It was during my sophomore of high school, and I was in English class
>when they told us.
>
>No tribute of any sort was allowed, nor could we openly talk about it
>without some sort of negative reaction from administrators.
>
>I remember it well, I even got in 'trouble' for this.
>
>Pro-space exploration views were not welcome.
>
>At least now things have improved.
I was a junior in high school, and actually at lunch at the time. My
sociology teacher told us when he got back, but between his joking nature
and the subject of the class we did not take him seriously. Later, we found
out the truth.
After school I must have just sat in front of the tv shellshocked, watching
the replays and coverage for over three hours. For several years after I
managed to wear an arm band in tribute every January 28.
It was even harder for my soon-to-be-girlfriend who dreamed of being an
astronaut, it was her birthday. (Made it difficult to mix birthday
celebration with tribute too...
John Gillespie Magee, Jr.
Pilot Officer Magee joined the Royal Canadian Air Force in October 1940, at
age 18. He went to England to fly Spitfires. After qualifying, he was
piloting one on a test flight into the stratosphere at 30,000 feet when
he got the inspiration for "High Flight." Magee was killed in action during
a dogfight December 11, 1941, at age 19.
Oh, I have slipped the surly bonds of earth
And danced the skies on laughter-silvered wings;
Sunward I've climbed, and joined the tumbling mirth
Of sun-split clouds -- and done a hundred things
You have not dreamed of -- wheeled and soared and swung
High in the sunlit silence. Hov'ring there,
I've chased the shouting wind along, and flung
My eager craft through footless halls of air.
Up, up the long, delirious, burning blue
I've topped the windswept heights with easy grace
Where never lark, or even eagle flew.
And, while with silent, lifting mind I've trod
The high untrespassed sanctity of space,
Put out my hand, and touched the face of God.
"If we die, we want people to accept it. We hope that if anything happens
to us it will not delay the program. The conquest of space is worth the risk
of life." -Gus Grissom
-Robert Lentz
--
r-lentz@nwu.edu
"Why the Moon? Why Mars?
Because it is humanity's destiny to strive, to seek, to find.
And because it is America's destiny to lead."
-President George Bush on the Space Exploration Initiative
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:21:34 GMT
From: no one of consequence <wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
The day the Challenger exploded I was a sophmore in high school. I was
sitting in my English class doing some assignment when the PA system came up
and the principal announced that the shuttle had exploded. The rest of the
day went by in a dazed sense of shock. Seeing a picture or a recording still
hurts sometimes.
I share the hope that it will never happen again but I know that something
like it will. As spaceflight becomes more common, accidents will happen
sometime. I just hope the accidents are only minor though.
I also hope it takes less time for the launching agency to have the courage
to try again instead of covering their tails.
An upbeat note: One of my better days in life was watching the first
post-Challenger shuttle launch when I was a freshman in college. Everyone
in the room was applauding when the shuttle went up while I caught myself
muttering "Come on, go go go go go go. You can do it!" :-)
--
/----------------------------------------------------------------------\
|Patrick Chester wolfone@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu|
|"If the Earth is our Cradle, then why are we still here?" |
|Everything your side says is Truth. All else is Propaganda.... |
|I only speak for myself. If I *did* speak for UT, would anyone listen?|
\----------------------------------------------------------------------/
------------------------------
Date: 28 Jan 1993 20:36:05 GMT
From: Jeff Foust <jafoust@cco.caltech.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space
I was a freshman in high school in Council Bluffs, Iowa, when it
happened. I didn't hear about it for about a half-hour: I had just walked into
my 4th-hour class when another teacher ran in and said to no one in particular,
"The shuttle just blew up!" I couldn't believe what had happened, because I
simply could picture the shuttle exploding. Only when class started and our
regular teacher said, "I just heard that the shuttle exploded. It's a tragic
moment for our space program. Now let's get to work," did I believe it.
For the rest of the rest of the school day I was in a daze. No one seemed to
want to talk about it, and none of my teachers had made any mention of it, let
alone show TV coverage of what took place. Only when classes let out at their
usual time was I able to run home, four blocks away, turn on the TV and see
for the first time what had happened. I felt sick to my stomach for the rest
of the day. For the remainder of the week I wrote in the corner of every
homework assignment I turned in the words "Remember the Challenger" -- my own
minor tribute to them. None of my teachers ever commented on it.
In the fall of 1988, when STS-26 was launched, I made sure my
classmates and teachers knew about the ressurection of the shuttle program.
I managed to convince, on very short notice (less than ten minutes before
launch) my hardnosed calculus teacher to interrupt class so that we could
watch the launch on a TV that I had managed to borrow from my physics
teacher. After the shuttle was safely on its way, my calc teacher said,
"Well, it's good to see the shuttle program back on track. Now let's get to
work." Some things don't change...
--
Jeff Foust Senior, Geophysics/Planetary Science, Caltech
jafoust@cco.caltech.edu jeff@scn1.jpl.nasa.gov
Final score of the Interstellar Space Deep Space 9
Station Championship Softball Game: Babylon 5
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:08:37 GMT
From: Richard Ottolini <stgprao@st.unocal.COM>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
I know people are tired of hearing this this newsgroup,
but I am still not convinced NASA told us all about
the last moments of the astronaunts. Then there is
another part of me that says it is not my business.
I think perhaps the opening crash scene in the new
movie "Alive" capture some of the terror in an
aerospace accident.
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:24:55 GMT
From: Mary Shafer <shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
I was sitting in the conference room here at Dryden, watching NASA
Select and re-reading the syllabus for my 1330 flight in the Calspan
Variable-Stability Learjet. After I regained my composure, I called
down to the Test Pilot School and told the Calspan pilot that we'd
lost the Shuttle and all on board.
I went ahead and had my flight, but I felt very detached. I
eventually managed to get another flight, when I explained when my
first one had been.
Dick Scobee had flown our F-111 TACT when he was still a test pilot
here at Edwards and I knew him from that program. His first Shuttle
flight had been supposed to land at KSC and had waved off to Edwards
at the last minute. I'd managed to get out here for the landing (I'd
also been at KSC for the launch) and I took the only pictures of the
landing. My pictures got added to the NASA collection and I'd given
Dick a number of copies (for himself and the rest of that mission's
crew) about a month before the Challenger accident. He signed one of
each of the best photos for me, too. Dick was a really nice guy.
I've seen at least one person call the deaths of the astronauts a
great tragedy; here in the flight test community, this is not a
widely-held belief. Those seven people were doing something that they
_really_ wanted to do, something that they had volunteered for, waited
for, trained for. They knew and accepted the risks. Their deaths
were sad, of course, but it was not a great tragedy.
--
Mary Shafer DoD #0362 KotFR NASA Dryden Flight Research Facility, Edwards, CA
shafer@rigel.dfrf.nasa.gov Of course I don't speak for NASA
"A MiG at your six is better than no MiG at all." Unknown US fighter pilot
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:31:32 GMT
From: John Clear <jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
In article <C1KxCL.1xE.1@cs.cmu.edu> nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
>
>Oh, give me a break. Seven trained people, flying a brand-new,
>more-or-less untested vehicle? They knew the risks. How is this even
>comparable to massive tragedies like the famines in the Horn of
>Africa, or the Azerbaijan earthquake, or even to the Lockerbie
>bombing? To any airliner crash? There are even highway pileups which
>kill more.
>
>Sure, it's a tragedy. But don't go blowing it out of proportion.
>
>Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
I'll agree with you that in comparison to some other tragedies, it
isn't as bad, but it seemed more personal then the others because we `knew'
the people involved. The tragedies you mentioned involve nameless faces, but
the Challenger Astronauts were know to everyone, more so then on a regular
mission because of the added publicity of the teacher. Most people reading
this group I'm sure dream (or have dreamed) about becoming astronauts, and
when your dream is shattered in a way such as this, it is a tremendous personal
tragedy.
I was in the 8th grade, eating lunch when I heard. A friend of mine
told me, and at first I didn't believe it. After seeing the replay on TV a
few times it started to sink in that it really happened. When I got home from
school, I just sat there in front of the TV for hours, just watching it in
disbelief.
John
--
John `SpaceCadet` Clear - jac@mentor.cc.purdue.edu, clearja@mentor.cc.purdue.edu
PP-ASEL C/LTC, CAP-NYW
"Aviation is proof, that given the will, we have the capacity to
achieve the impossible." -- Eddie Rickenbacker
------------------------------
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 21:44:12 GMT
From: "Keith A. Grimm" <grimm@aio.NoSubdomain.NoDomain>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
In article <C1KxCL.1xE.1@cs.cmu.edu>, nickh@CS.CMU.EDU (Nick Haines) writes:
|> In article <5=r30mh@rpi.edu> gallas2@marcus.its.rpi.edu (Sean Michael Gallagher) writes:
|>
|> [about the Challenger disaster...]
|>
|> Where were you? I was in grade school, and it was raining so we were inside
|> for our lunchtime recess. The teachers let us watch the launch live (My
|> teacher was a teacher-in-space candidate.) We spent the whole afternoon
|> trying to figure out what happened, and the flag was lowered to half-staff
|> that day and for the following week. I can't believe they wouldn't let you
|> discuss one of the most tragic events in recent history.
|>
|> Oh, give me a break. Seven trained people, flying a brand-new,
|> more-or-less untested vehicle? They knew the risks. How is this even
|> comparable to massive tragedies like the famines in the Horn of
|> Africa, or the Azerbaijan earthquake, or even to the Lockerbie
|> bombing? To any airliner crash? There are even highway pileups which
|> kill more.
|>
|> Sure, it's a tragedy. But don't go blowing it out of proportion.
|>
|> Nick Haines nickh@cmu.edu
|>
|> PS: I was in school, heard about it from a teacher, watched it on TV
|> that evening.
Those are tragedies true. But do you see them on television as the abruptly
happen?? Believe it or not that does make a difference. It was also the first
accident of this kind, an in-flight spaceflight accident, that our country
experienced. It was the SHOCK! Our space program had accomplished things that
no one else had. It felt like fate had slapped us in the face and all of us in
NASA felt the loss.
Keith A. Grimm
NASA-JSC
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Date: 28 Jan 1993 12:34 CST
From: "Guillot, Burt J." <st1r8@elroy.uh.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space,sci.space.shuttle
I was in 6th grade on my way to gym class (second period). On the way
there, something mentioned "the shuttle blew up". I thought it was a
joke. Nothing was mentioned in second period. I went to third period.
Nothing was mentioned and everyone in the class I asked about it
thought I was joking. I then went to lunch, and the principal of the
school was standing there, so I decided to ask her. She cofirmed my
fears that it had blown up, but I still could not really believe it.
After that, during fourth period, my English teacher was the first
teacher to mention it. Many of the students commented about how they
saw it happen "live" during their science class 3rd period. The thing
strange about that though was that I first heard of it, before it
"happened" on the way to second period. I don't remember the time
schedule of classes, so I can't confirm which period it would have
occured in, but that's something that bothered me ever since.
Regards,
B.J. Guillot ... Houston, Texas USA
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Date: Fri, 29 Jan 1993 16:18:21 -0500
From: Lawrence Curcio <lc2b+@andrew.cmu.edu>
Subject: Today in 1986-Remember the Challenger
Newsgroups: sci.space.shuttle,sci.space
Oh God. I was in Martin Marietta Environmental Systems watching on a
portable TV set with a room full of other employees. MM make the space
shuttle tank, which of course blew up right in front of us. TALK ABOUT
DEPRESSING!!! We were still bumbed months after Morton Thiokol took the
hit. Every one of us felt responsible, even though we had handled only
the environmental aspects of the tank project.
-Larry C.
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